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world Fischer Random champion should automatically be part of the candidates?

@nicbentulan said in #16:
> like how?
Association of Tennis Professionals, ATP
Отличный пример объединения спортсменов и взаимодействия с Федерациями
@nicbentulan said in #13:
> @ A-T_A-S сказал в No 5:
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> что именно подразумевается под «путанница»?
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Не нужно смешивать два вида шахмат.
@nicbentulan said in #18:
> what exactly is meant by this?
нужно объединить обычные шахматы и 960 в одном, я создал:
rchess.atas.pro

Осталось запатентовать
И нужен программист Scala, TypeScrypt для создания игрового сайта на основе Lichess
@A-T_A-S said in #22:
> Не нужно смешивать два вида шахмат.

i don't really follow. my question is whether world chess960 champion should automatically be in the candidates. you said 'Да. (Магнус чувствует...)' but then you say 'Не нужно смешивать два вида шахмат', which seems to suggest the opposite of 'Да', which iirc is 'нет'. what do you mean?
@A-T_A-S said in #23:
> нужно объединить обычные шахматы и 960 в одном, я создал:
> rchess.atas.pro
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> Осталось запатентовать
> И нужен программист Scala, TypeScrypt для создания игрового сайта на основе Lichess

you beat "У"эсли "С"о in 9LX!?!?!?! if yes, then how do we know you are 'Chistopol' ?

@nicbentulan said in #25:
> you beat "У"эсли "С"о in 9LX!?!?!?! if yes, then how do we know you are 'Chistopol' ?

Я родился и живу в городе Чистополь (Chistopol), поэтому в какой-то момент играл под этим аккаунтом. Потом закрыл его.
@nicbentulan said in #24:
> @ A-T_A-S сказал в No 22:
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> я действительно не слежу. у меня вопрос в том, должен ли чемпион мира по шахматам 960 автоматически входить в число кандидатов. вы сказали: «Да. (Магнус чувствует ...) », но затем вы говорите« Не нужно смешивать два вида шахмат », что, кажется, предполагает противоположность« Да », а iirc -« нет ». что ты имеешь в виду?

Гроссмейстеры, играющие также в 960 сильнее гроссмейстеров, не играющих в них. Поэтому ни в коем случае Чемпион по 960 не может включаться в турнир претендентов по обычным шахматам. Ваш вопрос нужно формулировать иначе, должен ли Магнус Карлсен быть включен в турнир претендентов по 960.

Вот только, как заметили другие комментаторы, развитием шахмат 960 никто не занимается. А если и проводятся соревнования, то призовые и статус соревнования значительно ниже...
@A-T_A-S said in #27:
> Ваш вопрос нужно формулировать иначе, должен ли Магнус Карлсен быть включен в турнир претендентов по 960.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

so true so true amen hell yeah.

that's the ideal situation (at least without romanov chess): 9LX world championship pays more and so let's ask that instead.

but the real situation is: regular world championship pays more

so realistically...?
@nicbentulan said in #28:
> @ A-T_A-S сказал в No 27:
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> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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> так верно, так верно, аминь, черт возьми, да.
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> это идеальная ситуация (по крайней мере, без шахмат Романова): чемпионат мира 9LX платит больше, так что давайте спросим об этом.
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> но реальная ситуация такова: регулярный чемпионат мира платит больше,
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> чем реально ...?

В новых шахматах rchess.atas.pro так и нужно будет сделать. С целью объединения Автоматически допускать в Турнир претендентов:
+чемпиона по обычным шахматам
+чемпиона по 960
Таким образом будет выявлен Абсолютный чемпион по шахматам с последующим переходом только на новые шахматы
Спасибо за развитие этой идеи.
@nicbentulan said in #11:
> actually i was wondering about this seeming catch-22 in 9LX. which is it more of?
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> A - there aren't many tournaments BECAUSE people aren't really interested
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> B - there aren't many tournaments AND SO people aren't really interested
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> i'm leaning towards B. but you are thinking A?

@nicbentulan That's an excellent question! I'm definitely for B. The only point is that the tournaments must employ a slower (preferrably classical) time control in order for chess players and fans to be able to realise the genuine beauty and profundity of this complex game. Otherwise, many would indeed find no harmony in chess960, or not enough time to solve the problems it poses during games, and feel no need to take it up altogether.

It's similar to complicated music which needs a thorough repeated listeting in order to be appreciated and admired while sounding like a cacophony or uninteresting if listened to on-the-run. But when it comes to chess, historically the game has been seen as a complex mental activity which made people think. That is what has been making it so attractive and giving it an aura of something that improves intellect, personality etc. So why should we agree to shrinking it all down to rapid, 3-minute and 1-minute? Because the 'fashion setters' say so? 'The time is different now, there's no place for slow events and we must comply with the demands of our time'? Well, who exactly has the authority to decide what is characteristic of the current time and what isn't? Does this overwhelming speeding-up of the game really benefit many people - aside from the organisers who are now able to conduct more events in a given period of time and thus collect more money?

BTW here's what Magnus said last year (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer_random_chess#Views_of_grandmasters):

"I would love to see more Fischer [Random] Chess being played over-the-board in a classical format. That would be very interesting to me, because I feel that that particular format is pretty well suited to classical chess as basically you need a lot of time in order to be able to play the game even remotely decently. And you can see that in the way that Fischer [Random] Chess is being played now when it is played in a rapid format. The quality of the games isn't very high because we make such fundamental mistakes in the opening. We don't understand it nearly enough and I think that would increase a lot if we were given a classical time control there".

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